RobH
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 04:10 |
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quotation:
Originally posted by Jeff K
You guys are the stupidest sacks of shit for not reading my incredible article.
Oh man... that was so funny... But seriously, it is a really interesting article.
www.sluggy.com
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armour_guitarist
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 05:55 |
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anyone see Bruce Almighty? bad movie, but my point is that if god does exist he's got a shit load of stuff to do, and i doubt that he can make
everyone happy at the same time... i think he has to step back a bunch and just focus on the big picture.
but i am really sorry for you Danielle... life is a bitch.
Some things take more than a lifetime.
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RobH
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 07:19 |
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Who ever said, assuming there is a god, that we were promised a lifetime of happiness? Not in anything I have read. If anything, it says exactly the
opposite; the good people suffer in life. Maybe it doesn't say so in as many words, but that's the gist (sp) of it. Either way, what I am
saying is that "bad things happening to good people" is neither an argument for nor againt the existence of some sort of God.
www.sluggy.com
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mr. dobalina
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 07:26 |
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i've stayed away from this thread. me talking religion is bad news. there are four topics i refuse to talk about because there is no way they
can be resolved; religion, politics, family and the mr. sub/subway dichotomy.
what i will say with regards to the benevolance of christ is this: god is to be considered forgiving and fair before he is to be considered
charitable.
[Edited on 16-2-04 by mr. dobalina]
Amid the chaos of that day, when all I could hear was the thunder of gunshots, and all I could smell was the violence in the air, I look back and am
amazed that my thoughts were so clear and true, that three words went through my mind endlessly, repeating themselves like a broken record:
you're so cool, you're so cool, you're so cool. And sometimes Clarence asks me what I would have done if he had died, if that bullet
had been two inches more to the left. To this, I always smile, as if I'm not going to satisfy him with a response. But I always do. I tell him
of how I would want to die, but that the anguish and the want of death would fade like the stars at dawn, and that things would be much as they are
now. Perhaps. Except maybe I wouldn't have named our son Elvis.
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1lilrockerchic
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 13:28 |
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there is no god in my books!
yea ian life is a bitch takes people i love away from me and that is how there is no god that ties in and for other info what i think check another
post i have on here!
.::Lullaby::.
xX*I am sorry now (but will I ever let you go…)
Things seem so wrong (I had something worth living for)
I cant go on, but its something we’re suppose to do
My heart is crushed, now that I’m without you
I’m without you *Xx
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little_lady
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 13:44 |
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You can't blame 'God' for everything bad that happens.
Suck it up, shit happens..
you won't let me down...
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little_lady
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 13:52 |
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[That was NOT meant strictly for 1lilrockerchick by the way, it was more of a GENERAL statement for anyone and everyone]
Things happen for a reason.
This "God" does NOT just sit there and push a button and make people get sick, or die..or whatever.
When we come into this "earth" we are given a tool kit. All of us. We can CHOOSE, by our own free will what to do with these tools. Some
people use them for good, some use them for bad. Are you saying that what happened during the morning of September 11 is "God"'s
fault too? Not a chance.
"God" does not choose who is born blind, or who dies of breast cancer at the age of 20, or who has a miscarriage after having just
married. Things happen. Sometimes people should stop and look at the scientific side of things before blaming everything on "God".
Notice I'm using the term "God" very loosely here since I have pretty different views on this 'higher person'
There is a book I think you should all read at some point called "When bad things happen to good people" it gives you a full understanding
on the nature of things, and how to separate religion from reality.
you won't let me down...
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Sin Ogaris
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 14:28 |
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quotation:
Originally posted by mr. dobalina
i've stayed away from this thread. me talking religion is bad news. there are four topics i refuse to talk about because there is no way they
can be resolved; religion, politics, family and the mr. sub/subway dichotomy.
what i will say with regards to the benevolance of christ is this: god is to be considered forgiving and fair before he is to be considered
charitable.
[Edited on 16-2-04 by mr. dobalina]
I simply cannot believe God to be as forgiving as organized religion makes him out to be. In the eyes of the church, if you... argh, what's the
word? That thing, where you say your sorry and stuff for your sins, only you truly mean it. Grrr, mental blank. Anyway, if you do that thing then the
idea is that God will accept you NO MATTER WHAT! So Hitler, Palpot, Eddie Gein, The Grey Man, all of these sadistic bastards could very well be in
Heaven if they truly repented (OMG! YES!!!) their sins. I simply cannot believe such a thing could occur, I'd rather have an apathetic God that
an all-forgiving God any day.
Let's not get into the topic of Organized Religion though, that's something that makes me want to break things.
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little_lady
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 14:32 |
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I believe repentance is the word you're looking for...
..ah shit, you already said it ha.
you won't let me down...
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1lilrockerchic
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 14:32 |
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but if one does not believe in god then what is the purpose. i thought i did but now i dont as i have said before but this isnt fair cause the person
im talking about is only 17 and @ risk of a heart attack. they are @ high risk too and well they are 17 they should be living the life of a teenager
not worring about what they do cause it may cause them to have a heart attack and possibly die! there is only a few people who are close to my heart
and this person is one of them and i dont know what i would do if i lost them due to death and plus my mom might have cancer and all of this is
killing me. im stopping right now before i break out in tears!
.::Lullaby::.
xX*I am sorry now (but will I ever let you go…)
Things seem so wrong (I had something worth living for)
I cant go on, but its something we’re suppose to do
My heart is crushed, now that I’m without you
I’m without you *Xx
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little_lady
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 14:36 |
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I've never thought that the internet is the best medium to speak about these things. Where are your friends? Sit down and talk to someone if
you're so out of it...
I had a friend who had a heart transplant at the age of 18, and he's perfectly fine..
you won't let me down...
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1lilrockerchic
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 14:40 |
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i have talked to this person about it ive also talked to other people who i can trust and i've told them who this person is. but this person and
i are just a little scared about all of this because they were told b4 about high blood pressure and they totaly changed their ways and yet the
pressure is still there
dont take this as a fight dez cause really i never want to fight with anyone im not that kinda person
i g2g class ciao ppl
.::Lullaby::.
xX*I am sorry now (but will I ever let you go…)
Things seem so wrong (I had something worth living for)
I cant go on, but its something we’re suppose to do
My heart is crushed, now that I’m without you
I’m without you *Xx
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little_lady
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 14:44 |
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I'm not fighting, I'm actually trying to help you for a change.
Have a good day.
you won't let me down...
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Sin Ogaris
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 14:50 |
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Oh and in response to LL's post. I don't blame God for the bad things humanity does, I blame God for creating Humans in the first place.
Ultimately though, I find religion itself as one of the greatest evils this World has ever, and for that matter, will ever face. There's not a
damn thing ANYONE can do about it either, since faith is such a powerful thing. Something as simple as a person's belief in God can turn friends
into enemies and entire races against one another. This isn't God's fault this is due to the stupidity of people and our inherent nature
to commit vile acts on everything around us, whether it be in the name of God or just for kicks.
I honestly hope (and after reading a lot of this am looking more towards this opinion) God isn't real, because if he is we're in for a
World of hurt very shortly.
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Sin Ogaris
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 14:57 |
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quotation:
Originally posted by 1lilrockerchic
but if one does not believe in god then what is the purpose. i thought i did but now i dont as i have said before but this isnt fair cause the person
im talking about is only 17 and @ risk of a heart attack. they are @ high risk too and well they are 17 they should be living the life of a teenager
not worring about what they do cause it may cause them to have a heart attack and possibly die! there is only a few people who are close to my heart
and this person is one of them and i dont know what i would do if i lost them due to death and plus my mom might have cancer and all of this is
killing me. im stopping right now before i break out in tears!
You don't have to believe in God, believe in your friend, believe in the doctors who I'm sure are trying everything in their power to make
sure they survive. Believe in the people out there donating to all sorts of cancer treatments and heart treatments that could very well save your
friend and your mother (if it arises she is ill, though I hope in my heart she isn't). Most importantly though, believe in yourself. To be there
for the people you care about, and if the worst comes to worst and there is no chance, spoil the hell out of them. Make them know that you are there
100%, give them the best life any person could ever dream of, and not only will they die the happiest they will have ever been, but it should make you
feel better, knowing that they died happy and full of love for you.
The worst thing you can possibly do right now is mourn the living.
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thelividfan
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 15:17 |
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hmm this is very interesting, i do hope your friend gets well soon, Im pretty sure he or she will! although.. its a pretty public place to be
talking about this sort of thing, perhaps your friend wanted something more confident.. what do I know...
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little_lady
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 15:19 |
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Yeah, Sin said it nicely...
you won't let me down...
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RobH
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 15:20 |
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quotation:
Originally posted by Sin Ogaris
I simply cannot believe God to be as forgiving as organized religion makes him out to be. In the eyes of the church, if you... argh, what's the
word? That thing, where you say your sorry and stuff for your sins, only you truly mean it. Grrr, mental blank. Anyway, if you do that thing then the
idea is that God will accept you NO MATTER WHAT! So Hitler, Palpot, Eddie Gein, The Grey Man, all of these sadistic bastards could very well be in
Heaven if they truly repented (OMG! YES!!!) their sins. I simply cannot believe such a thing could occur, I'd rather have an apathetic God that
an all-forgiving God any day.
Let's not get into the topic of Organized Religion though, that's something that makes me want to break things.
I think this is a common perception that people have... that someone saying "I'm sorry, I repent" will all of the sudden get into
the "good books" with "God". From the way I have understood it, any true repentence has to be from the heart. Just saying
you're sorry does not cut it. Assuming for the sake of argument the existence of Heaven and God (using the New Testament definition of God), God
can see the hearts of men (and women). You just can't fool him by saying you repent, you really have to mean it. This being the case, if all
those sadistic bastards you listed truly repented, they would hardly be the same people anymore, as they were for the rest of their lives. True
repentence, by the biblical definition, is a complete and total psychological change. For the worst and most terrible scum of the earth, is such a
repentance even possible? I don't know but it seems unlikely to me.
www.sluggy.com
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Sin Ogaris
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 15:42 |
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I honestly believe that Hitler could have done it. You have to consider the fact that his murders were commited for the love of his God and his
country (Please note: I am in no waying saying what he did is right, just trying to explain how it's possible he could have gotten into Heaven).
He brought Germany up from a terrible spot, during the Great Depression Germany really suffered, and Hitler helped rise the people from that. He also
had listened to Christian propaganda for most of his life (I wish I could remember the name of the guy who spread the foul lies about the Jewish
people, damn). And I'm sure if you get told something over and over and over again, you eventually start to believe it, especially if
there's already an inkling of hatred towards something in the first place (he is after all a Christian, and let's face it, a number of
Christians don't hold Jews too highly, for rather pathetic reasons if you ask me) then it can easily build up into a full blown hatred. Now if
you consider, Hitler is sitting there in his bunker, at the end of the War looking out at the horrible destruction he had caused, isn't it
possible that he did have a change of heart in those last moments. Conidering the fact that he commited suicide (supposedly), couldn't he have
done that to try and atone for his sins?
Anyway, as I said, this doesn't mean any of what he did was right, and i hope that his final days on Earth were of mysery and suffering. But it
has always made me wonder.
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Lucy
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 16:00 |
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Hitler and all those other people could have repented but when you die your soul becomes pure again. It's humans that are the evil ones. There
are dark souls which never go to the other side, they come right back into life. Same with if you commit suicide, it's a selfish act (unless
there is something mentally wrong with you).
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little_lady
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 16:25 |
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That's another thing...if you commit suicide, you are really not entitled to have a proper funeral since you are taking away the
'gift' of life by your own will.
Which....makes me think 'abortion' should be one of other topics we discuss in here...as morbid as it may be.
you won't let me down...
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Chris
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 16:35 |
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god and animals. discuss.
ta bi
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little_lady
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 16:37 |
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Elaborate.
What about God and animals?
you won't let me down...
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Chris
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 16:43 |
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discuss.
ta bi
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Sin Ogaris
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| posted on 2004-2-16 at 17:10 |
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I like discus, though I suck at it.
And this post of unrelatedness was brought to you by late night procrastination...
But wait, I can't actually make a post without relating it to something so let's have a go shall we.
Animals are kinda cool, though I doubt I would ever have pets, except for maybe a fish that could feed itself. That would be the ideal pet, no noise,
no fuss, just feeds itself and keeps quiet. Now that had nothing to do with God, but I'm covering that by talking about how what I just said had
nothing to do with God, so in fact this DOES involve him. Whew, covered all bases with that one.
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