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posted on 2004-5-13 at 21:56
While searching www.ethnalogue.com, which lists over 7000 main language and over 40 000 dialects and language variations, Pig Latin is conspicuous by
it's absence.
Languages have grammatical rules and syntax associated with them. This is also a part of many definitions of language. Pig Latin does NOT have this,
instead it's grammar and syntax come from the language it is being applied to.
"Pig Latin is a language GAME..."
Also, look up the definition of algorithm.
Finally, Braille is not a language either. Much like the alphabet is not a language.
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posted on 2004-5-13 at 23:15
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well, although the topic digressed toward pig latin, I'm here to reiterate that hawaiian (w/an a) is very much a REAL language. take it from
someone who knows, and grew up taking hawaiian history lessons every week in grade school. from what sparse things i remember we were greeted by our
hawaiian teacher w/ "aloha kakai'iaka e' kamali'i?" which is something like "hello, are you well students?"
btw, don't take that to be anywhere near grammatically correct. anyway, hawaiian is a language though.
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posted on 2004-5-14 at 14:42
haha last nite i was sayin hi to a bunch of my pals in diff langs it was great fun.
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posted on 2004-5-14 at 16:59
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i consider pig latin to be just as much a language as klingon.
no way. klingon isn't based on english at all. i read a little about it one time, it's actually quite interesting. they got a dude to
construct, from scratch, a completely artificial language.
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posted on 2004-5-14 at 18:38
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no way. klingon isn't based on english at all. i read a little about it one time, it's actually quite interesting. they got a dude to
construct, from scratch, a completely artificial language.
of course klingon isn't based on english. my point was merely that both are made up languages.
i read somewhere that klingon has its own dictionary, and that some (sad) people actually converse in it.
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posted on 2004-5-15 at 20:23
braille is more than an alphabet for blind people, braille is the blind man's "sign language". and i think everyone agree's
that sign is a language.
Pig Latin does have grammatical rules...or rule i should say. It is very simple. Place the first letter of a word and place it at the end of the word
followed by "ay". Regaurdless of how you want to look at it, it is grammatical structer. It doesn't matter that it is based off of
english language. Hell, you could do it in spanish or french for that matter. True it may have come about as a kind of "game" but it
doesn't matter if it is a game or not it is, no matter how you look at it, an actual language.
Being able to trace a language back to historical culture is not a pre-req for a language. The only thing that makes a language is whether or not it
can convey meanings and ideas. it doesn't have to spoken, it can be writen, felt (as in case of Braille), by motion (sign language), it could be
clouds of smoke even. Just as long as the: patterns, sounds, characters or whatever happens to be the means of conversation; can be understood.
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posted on 2004-5-15 at 23:38
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quotation:Originally posted by tremendous
no way. klingon isn't based on english at all. i read a little about it one time, it's actually quite interesting. they got a dude to
construct, from scratch, a completely artificial language.
of course klingon isn't based on english. my point was merely that both are made up languages.
i read somewhere that klingon has its own dictionary, and that some (sad) people actually converse in it.
All languages were made up at one point in time, hell they're always changing, just because "Kilingon" was made up for a different
purpose doesn't make it any less of a language, like Elvish.
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posted on 2004-5-16 at 00:12
lol
me and marce were talking about how we made this up and a big laugh between us and now it is a huge discusiion about what seperates languages from non
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posted on 2004-5-16 at 00:14
Okay, here is my final post on this topic, after which I will agree to disagree, since I'm sure nobody else cares about this, and it has nothing
to do with Hawaiian.
Ask yourself:
Why do I understand pig latin? Would I understand a form of pig latin based on a different language than English?
Say for example you are hearing a form of pig latin which is based on Italian (note this example only works if you don't speak Italian. If you
do, pick some other language which you do not speak.) You would not understand what was being said. To understand, you would first have to learn
Italian.
What this example points out, is that the information which is delivered in speech, is not delivered through pig latin, but through the structure,
grammar and syntax of the language on which it is based. You cannot speak pig latin, unless you can first speak the language on which it is based
(Although, some might say you could... I will concede the point if you can find anyone who knows how to speak the pig latin form of a language without
knowing the language itself.)
By contrast, if you were learning Italian, you wouldn't first have to learn Latin, on which Italian was based, or any other language on which
Italian was based. Nor would you have to do this for ANY OTHER LANGUAGE.
Since we are saying language is "a systematic means of communicating by the use of sounds or conventional symbols"* then we cannot
logically conclude that pig latin is a language, since the symbols and system referred to in the definition are just those used in the language on
which the pig latin is based. The only language being used is the base language. All pig latin does is change the way the words look.
*(Source: www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn)
I was going to write something about Braille, but it would be way too long. If anyone cares then I will write it later.
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You win, hands down
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posted on 2004-5-16 at 02:42
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of course it is a language! what else would they speak! ... french ppl speak french englihs ppl speak english and HAWAIIN ppl speak Hawaiin, it makes
sence right!!!!!!
but Americans dont speak American...
regardless, i agree that Hawaiin is a language.
i can speak pig latin very fluently. i was supprised by how many mistakes the google page made. "All" is not "Allway"!
anyway, im with rob for sure on this. Pig latin does not have the gramatical structure that evey other major language does, for example, in order to
conjugate a verb, you must first conjugate the verb in the original language that it is based off of. and though every language is based off of latin,
you dont have to first build the gramatical structure of the sentance in latin in order for it to be a correct and functioning sentance.
and if you are saying that a language is any way of successfully communicating with annother human being, you must also say that film is a language,
because even a film without verbal expressions, or text of any kind can communicate an idea. and thus, actions are a language too. i dont believe so.
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Are you really a DDR champion? Man, I suck at that game.
I suppose I could outright lie and say yes without anyone ever knowing . . . but honestly I'm just "okay"
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what's DDR?
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posted on 2004-5-16 at 12:59
any form of communicating is technically a language.
that being said i still stand on the fact that pig latin is technically a language. i've already pointed out the ONLY requirements to be a
language and pig latin succesfully fufills those requirements. and thus pig latin, i still say, is a language.
DDR is that dancing game where ppl stomp on the squares on the floor. i see ppl playing it at the movie theater all the time...i dunno how the hell
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posted on 2004-5-16 at 14:53
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i can speak pig latin very fluently. i was supprised by how many mistakes the google page made. "All" is not "Allway"!
Actually Ian, while I was searching the internet for languages and pig latin, I found that there are many different variations of pig latin. They are
almost like dialects, which usually vary with the geographic region in which they are spoken.
If you are really into this pig latin stuff, you can find MANY graduate thesises (sp?) on the subject.
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posted on 2004-5-16 at 15:38
Why am I the only person who's never heard of 'Pig Latin' before?...
Maybe I haven't been in Canada long enough.
I feel like such a foreigner.
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t'siay koay ezday, eway tillsay ovelay ayay i think thats right
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posted on 2004-5-16 at 16:11
DDR = Dance Dance Revolution. You know, the crazy arcade game the kids play. It's fun to go to the arcade and watch some kids play this..some
are just so good at it.
I'm sure you have figured it out, Dez. All you have to do is take any word, then take the first letter in the word and put it at the end, then
put "ay" at the end of that.
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"t'siay koay ezday, eway tillsay ovelay ayay"
It's okay Dez, we still love ya"...right?
Aww Jorge (blushes) haha..
And..yeah, now it makes sense.
I'm the DDR princess, seriously if any of you are up to it..I'll challenge you on any given day. (rolls up sleeves) haha.
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I've always been to embarresed to go try the dancing things, just cause i'd feel like a fool, buti know i would be good at it
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posted on 2004-5-16 at 17:52
quotation:Originally posted by armour_guitarist
i was supprised by how many mistakes the google page made. "All" is not "Allway"!
moving the first letter and adding "ay" isn't the only rule. special things happen when a word begins with a vowel, as the google
page shows. i'd put money on the google page being correct.
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posted on 2004-5-16 at 18:48
I used to play DDR everyday on my lunch break. I played it for the first time in 3 months on Monday. I just hope I don't get hooked again.
The night's as hot as hell. It's a lousy room in a lousy part of a lousy town - I'm staring at a goddess. She's telling me she
wants me. I'm not going to waste one more minute wondering how I've gotten this lucky. She smells like angels ought to smell, the perfect
woman... the Goddess. Goldie. She says her name is Goldie.
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posted on 2004-5-16 at 20:19
I can't embarrass myself playing the real thing, so I just play it on my dreamcast with the controller. I have a home dance pad, but I never
used it.
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posted on 2004-5-17 at 07:27
the way i learned it, if it starts with a vowel you just add "ay" to the end... my friend and i have been trying to figure this one thing
out for quite a while though: if a word has a bunch of sylables ex: Mississippi, do you follow the rule and just say ississippimay, or do you split up
the word and say issismay-ippisay (which sounds much better)
