Subject: question directed to Chris...ya one more.
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 05:56
question directed to Chris...ya one more.
I know there is a bunch of questions directed to Chris. But it is one that I have seriously been wondering. Anyone who can answer, that's great
too.
I hear that you are a guitar teacher, and that is something that I have really thought of getting into. I was wondering what kind of training and
knowledge is involved in being skilled enough to be able to. I know that I can not teach because I can not read sheet music and I don't really
know anything about theory, but I do know a good ammount about playing. I have tought a number of people on the side, occasionally getting paid, but
mostly for pleasure. I could ask alot more questions, but really I would like to basically know anything that you or someone else can tell me.
Anyone with knowledge on teaching guitar, please feel free to answer.
If Chris does answer, this question is for him. I noticed all the JS or JSstyle guitars you have. I had a 100 (sold it for a couple acoustics) and
almost bought a 1000 the other day but chickened out. Anyway, Is there any particular reason you use these? They aren't normally the choice
guitar for rock music, despite the amazing neck and body. And seeing as you don't use a whammy bar in your music, don't you find the
bridge to get in the way? I kinda have a satriani obsession, that's one of the reasons I ask.
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 18:05
About guitar teaching, it will help if you know some theory, but all you really need to be able to do is pass on your knowledge. If you can read
tablature and are good at helping people overcome problems, then you should do fine, as long as they don't want to learn all the proper music
notation and theory.
As for Chris' guitars, his JS100 was stolen along with his old 440 Radius (the predecessor to the JS) and another guitar I've forgotten.
He bought a JS1000 and hated it, so he got rid of it. Now he's bought a 540 Radius and he has other various Ibanezes. I think that's how
it went. Mabye he still has the JS100 - I can't remember. Not all of his electric guitars are JS lookalikes either, the one he plays in drop D
comes to mind.
He doesn't have the whammy bar attached to the guitars, and the Floyd Rose bridges are great - they never go out of tune. If you're
referring to the way they will bend the note down if you put pressure on them, you can get used to that very quickly. It never bothers me any more
unless I decide to change tuning. If I decide to change tuning, I go play my acoustic guitar.
Sorry to answer some of someone else's question.
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 18:20
if this doesnt make any sense please forgive me but i cant think properly!
Speaking as a musician myself you do need to know some therory as bart said because it helps a whole lot believe me. As long as you can read tab its
ok but it is better to know how to read sheet music.
but if you are getting into teaching you need to know theory and how to read sheet music because it will come in very useful because anyone with
problems will ask you and if you dont know that stuff well then its kinda hard to help them.
in my opion(sp?) theory and reading shhet music is very simple. but i reccomed to learn theory first because once you know theory you will be able to
read sheet music.
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 18:36
Well the reason I said theory is not vital is that a person can know a hell of a lot about how music is constructed without knowing any theory at all.
But theory will definitely help when it comes to passing on the knowledge - without the proper terms it will be hard conveying your knowledge. It
helps tons if you want to write a song down for someone (for tablature too). The reason I say it's not vital at all to learn to read sheet music
is that you simply don't need sheet music to play a lot music on guitar. Sheet music will also be scary as well as unnecessary to beginners. All
you need is tablature and the song. It will help, however, to be able to read "beams" on tablature - the stalks coming from sheet music
notes are often put on tablature so you can read the rhythm. You sometimes see that in tablature books.
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 19:12
But as you said about writing a song for some one it will help if you knew how to read sheet music makes it so much easier because i know someone who
doesnt like reading sheet music so i had to write a song out in tab and well i knew my theory of course cause that would be crazy if i didnt cause ive
been playing music since about the age of 7-8 but any ways it is in order to write something out in tab you need to read sheet music which means you
need to know where all the notes on the staff goes which in its self is theory. but even for beginners most start off with books with maybe only two
or three notes to learn and as you progress in these books the more notes you learn and in these book they start off with simple theory and progress
in to harder stuff and the more you know the easier it will become to share your knowledge. see many people in my class they dont know some simple
stuff so the others who do know and can spare time to help will help and in the long run these people do learn from the help that is given because
these people know their theory.
and with the theory program we have on our computers can help a whole lot plus you need to be able to read the notes on the staff. so basically you
need to know both reading shhet music and theory.
It is not "beams" as you said bart they are LINES each line in turn is a specific guitar string. And the lines make up the staff.
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 21:26
when i was taking lessons with chris, all i did was bring in a cd every week and show him a song that i'd want to learn. so he would listen to
the song and just write it down tab form. so if you were gonna teach guitar then all you would have to do is listen to the song, write it down, and
then teach whoever wants to learn it. you might only have to know tabs because most people i know only go by tab since its a lot easier.
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 21:46
when i go to my lessons, at first i just learned the basic chords... but like, i dont really know how to read sheet music, i use tabs, its easier for
me... so i guess it all depends on the actual student and what they prefer
lately when i go for lessons, i bring in a CD too, and i start learning songs that way, and my teacher is really good at just listening to the songs
and figuring out the chords, rythym, strumming etc...
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 22:11
Ya Dee is taking lessons from a hippy. And its all lies when she says he's "good". But Kevinnn basically gave the
"typical" lesson format. Unless your teaching chords, or beginning techniques.
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 22:14
AHHHH! Chris, i knew u would say that
jeez, yur just so jealous that i take lessons from bernie, and YOU DONT... and he is not the hippy teacher, ok?
just stop being jealous of the bernieness... ok? go back to your bunny and pancakes
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 22:26
1lilrockerchic, I do know what I'm talking about, thanks. You don't have to know the first thing about sheet music to read or write
tablature. And I am in fact talking about beams, not lines. Which is why I said "for the rhythm". See attachment. This is tablature with
beams.
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 23:03
quotation:Originally posted by Pure_Ibanez_Sound
Ya Dee is taking lessons from a hippy. And its all lies when she says he's "good". But Kevinnn basically gave the
"typical" lesson format. Unless your teaching chords, or beginning techniques.
Hey! Bernie's not a hippy...he's cool.
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posted on 2003-11-13 at 23:48
That guy's a looser! I can only hear him sing when I go for lessons. It's horrible. Does he even play guitar? Or just sing and look
funny?
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posted on 2003-11-14 at 00:06
I'm getting the idea that most people on this board know eachother personally, no?
Anyway, I feel a little more optimistic now, knowing that tab seems to be alot more accepted out there. I would still like to learn the
"proper" way of reading music. Problem is, I really know NOTHING about it. What if a student wanted to know, right? Plus, I have never
taken lessons, so I really don't know how it works. Actually, that's not true, I took one lesson and I said to the lady, "teach me
as much about theory because I would like to know how a song can be constructed"...she was floored, she taugth me nothing and we talked the
whole 15-20 minutes..whatever. I paid my 15 bucks and said fuck it, I'll teach myself. I guess that's not what most students say when they
walk into the room.
I wish I could learn things by ear better. If what you guys say is true, that the teachers are learning and writing down the music on the spot,
I'm screwed. I can figure out songs ok, I guess. But I have to hear it a bunch of times.
When I had my js100, I found I was always hitting the bridge a little bit and screwing up the sound. I guess after a little while you get used to it.
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posted on 2003-11-14 at 00:10
its good to know theory like scales, and the relationship between scales and chords... the use of roots, etc... as for notation, its useful, but for
lessons it is mainly useful for ducumenting timing, so you can explain things in fragments of time... which can sometimes come in handy.... but i much
prefer learning by ear, than through method books and notation....
And Bernie is pretty wicked
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posted on 2003-11-14 at 01:33
If you are looking for students, find out first what they are expecting, and let them know what you can give them. If they are looking for a highly
technical training, they probably shouldn't go to you. If they want to learn to play a few songs, then you may be a better choice. You just have
to be a pick careful who you are teaching I think.
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posted on 2003-11-14 at 02:04
quotation:Originally posted by Pure_Ibanez_Sound
That guy's a looser! I can only hear him sing when I go for lessons. It's horrible. Does he even play guitar? Or just sing and look
funny?
[Edited on 13-11-03 by Pure_Ibanez_Sound]
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posted on 2003-11-14 at 02:05
OMG! the status is GREEN!
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the greeness is amazing
the act of sacraficing bitter memories
i cant bring myself to fogive you, i cant force myself to fogive you, i cant bring myself to forgive you
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posted on 2003-11-14 at 02:31
Ok DeeDee- Monday night at 6:50.. Vic Johnstons.. Anyone come check it out and wear a Livid shirt or something so I know your from the boards.....
I'm 68 on White.
On to the thread. To make your lessons as good as Chris', you must have as many bowel movements as possible within the given time period.
Farting is a good thing, and releaves(sp??)...stress and funny odours.
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posted on 2003-11-14 at 02:36
hmmm i feel a field trip comin on! if anyone wants to come, i will buy u all cake from pastry villa... AHH! we can throw cake and skates at chris!
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posted on 2003-11-14 at 02:38
quotation:Originally posted by DeeDee
hmmm i feel a field trip comin on! if anyone wants to come, i will buy u all cake from pastry villa... AHH! we can throw cake and skates at chris!
Yay! Field trip!
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posted on 2003-11-14 at 03:36
my 2 cents: its not worth paying someone to teach to you how to play guitar if all they are doing is listening to the song and writing down tabs for
you, or if they look up the tabs for you, learn it themselves, and then teach you. when i first started playing guitar about 5ish years ago thats what
my instructor did. so i quit paying him to teach me to do something i can do on my own time for free just as easily. i don't know a lot of
theory, i did learn a little though at first with those guitar lessons, which i am thankfull for, but after that he never taught me nothing but songs
i could look up on my own. since then i've picked up little bits of theory from friends and stuff...but i still dunno any sheet music.
basicly, if you can play guitar and you want to teach someone, even if you do or do not know sheet music or theory, you can teach them what you do
know and once they learn all you know, then they will be an equally good guitarist to yourself, no matter what level of skill that may be.
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posted on 2003-11-14 at 15:01
quotation:Originally posted by tremendous
1lilrockerchic, I do know what I'm talking about, thanks. You don't have to know the first thing about sheet music to read or write
tablature. And I am in fact talking about beams, not lines. Which is why I said "for the rhythm". See attachment. This is tablature with
beams.
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posted on 2003-11-14 at 22:13
CHRIS!
Did this game already happen...or is it NEXT monday...cuz I wanna gooo sooo bad!!
