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posted on 2003-11-26 at 03:08
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Just curious what people think about the way technology is affecting modern music, whether in recording or live performance.
As an example I have heard there are effects now which can correct a singer's pitch in real time at a concert... insane. Any thoughts?
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posted on 2003-11-26 at 04:13
wow that would have to be crazy fast if i understand that right. so within the time the person sings into the mic and it is sent to the sepakers it
adjusts the singers pitch?
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posted on 2003-11-26 at 04:29
LOL
That reminds me of the Simpsons episode when Bart, Milhouse, Nelson and Ralph form "The Party Possee".
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posted on 2003-11-26 at 04:40
hahaha i saw that one ..... one of the few but it was funny
wasn't there hidden messages in their songs?
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posted on 2003-11-26 at 17:59
those gadgets are called auto tuners. they exist and are widely used. but anyone who gives a shit about actually being a good singer rather than just
sounding in pitch won't use one in recordings and certainly not live.
yes, they can be used live. basically, if a note is a certain distance (variable) away from a solid half step, it will pull you into pitch. you can
hear that variable distance on really bad pop songs - when they make the auto tuner too sensitive, you get the effect of jumping from note to note.
like cher.
as for how gadgets are affecting modern music - i think they have the potential to ruin everything that i like in music - real performances and almost
real sounds. (i say almost real because the drum kits you hear don't actually sound like that.) for instance, a computer can play drum beats
that sound totally real, if you do it right. i don't like the idea of that - half of the enjoyment of music to me is to think that some guy can
actually play whatever crazy beat that is, and if i saw the band play, i could see it for myself. i'm glad computers suck at playing the guitar
and singing.
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posted on 2003-11-26 at 18:09
quotation:Originally posted by SideO_JR
hahaha i saw that one ..... one of the few but it was funny
wasn't there hidden messages in their songs?
[Edited on 26-11-03 by SideO_JR]
I think it did !! that is freakin crazy that these things exists!! if you cant sing then you shouldnt be able to record (i cant make any sense!)
cd's and shit you should leave it to the people who can sing
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posted on 2003-11-26 at 21:20
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posted on 2003-11-26 at 21:32
That's the one!
I saw that episode the other day. It's one of my favourites!
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posted on 2003-11-26 at 21:48
Yeah, I liked it because
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N*Sync was there...
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posted on 2003-11-26 at 21:57
didn't a band a long time ago used something like that, and they were in a show and it wouldn't stop repeading so they had to run off the
stage?
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posted on 2003-11-26 at 22:05
I wouldnt enjoy the concert If I knew the singer was using a auto tuner...
When I saw Linkin Park at Reading festival, it was perfect... every note was spot on. Just hope he wasnt using a tuner.
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posted on 2003-11-26 at 22:53
Well, I guess not all the people who can write good songs are the best singers... Not everyone has the whole package. I would definitely have more
respect for someone as a musician who isn't using one, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it ruins everything though. As long as they are
making an effort though... if they are just using it so they don't have to practice that's just weak.
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posted on 2003-11-27 at 01:30
quotation:Originally posted by tremendous
those gadgets are called auto tuners. they exist and are widely used. but anyone who gives a shit about actually being a good singer rather than just
sounding in pitch won't use one in recordings and certainly not live.
yes, they can be used live. basically, if a note is a certain distance (variable) away from a solid half step, it will pull you into pitch. you can
hear that variable distance on really bad pop songs - when they make the auto tuner too sensitive, you get the effect of jumping from note to note.
like cher.
as for how gadgets are affecting modern music - i think they have the potential to ruin everything that i like in music - real performances and almost
real sounds. (i say almost real because the drum kits you hear don't actually sound like that.) for instance, a computer can play drum beats
that sound totally real, if you do it right. i don't like the idea of that - half of the enjoyment of music to me is to think that some guy can
actually play whatever crazy beat that is, and if i saw the band play, i could see it for myself. i'm glad computers suck at playing the guitar
and singing.
i was gonna write that, but i'm too lazy. basically, you can take it to extremes, a lá cher. however, i do feel that auto tuners can help alot -
certainly in production - but if used live i feel they make a performance somehow "fake". i've got more to say on the subject, but
too sloth -ike to bother.
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posted on 2003-11-27 at 03:16
On the plus side, at least the singers who use these live are not miming.
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posted on 2003-11-27 at 07:33
Now, I know I have a few things to say about this, but I'm not exactly sure where to begin.
Regarding the auto tuner, I agree it can "help" in a studio setting, but do you really think if someone can not hit a certain note that
they should use a device to make it seem as if they can? If you can hit the note, why not practice and take the necessery amount of takes until you
get it right? So basically, I think it should only be used in a studio to clean up some minor mistakes, not to highter someones
"abilities".
How can anyone really be satisfied with themselves if they used this in a live environment? They must start to believe that they are better than they
are. I would not enjoy a show if I knew someone used a device like this. I know that sounds like an imature statement, but it's no longer what I
consider to be a concert. It's fake.
Gadgets? That's really tough to say. I can think of a shit load of gadgets that are good. Guitar pedals are gadgets. I certainly love what they
do. They certainly make a guitar player sound alot more interesting. But it isn't fake, and I don't care to elaborate anymore on why I
think that. You may understand what I mean.
Popular music I think will continue to decline and get faker, and more realistic sounding at the same time. But the people out there that truly love
music will continue to stick to the basics. And I think that's the way rock and music like it will always be.
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posted on 2003-11-27 at 08:02
the totaly raw stuff MAY fall through the cracks, (and be replaced with artificial crap), but I can garentee will still exist as long as there is
music. there will always be those bands who haven't "sold out" yet, and who embody the true essence of music. Always.
Some things take more than a lifetime.
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posted on 2003-11-27 at 17:22
quotation:Originally posted by Reivax
Regarding the auto tuner, I agree it can "help" in a studio setting, but do you really think if someone can not hit a certain note that
they should use a device to make it seem as if they can?
you gotta bear in mind that auto-tuners have a limited usage - turn 'em up too high and you sound shitty and robotic.
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posted on 2003-11-27 at 18:14
Isn't there alot of other types of devices used in studio, though. Things that could make Roseanne sound like Whitney? If there isn't
that's great.
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posted on 2003-11-27 at 18:22
but alot of music its self is generated by cubase or something like that but im not sayin ALL music is like that but its kinda depressing when you
find out shit like that!
I know this because my schools music department has cubase and well a bunch of us have created some really wicked shit! I think 4 students last year
created a song just on cubase it was put in to our first cd and i must say that the song is pretty damn good
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What do you mean "generated by cubase". I know of know program which generates music... I actually use a stripped down version of cubase
for my recordings. Do you mean with keyboards, and MIDI and such?
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posted on 2003-11-27 at 22:42
no way danielle. People actually go in and pay lots of money to have their sound recorded to perfection, they spend hours in studios, playing things
right, playing to a metronome, and such. Cubase could never produce what real talent can, it can only produce midi files, just look at what went on,
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posted on 2003-11-27 at 23:10
When I do a a record I generally spend about 4 months on it off and on, once mixing and mastering are added in. I guess that is one of the huge
benefits of technology. The fact that pretty much any hack (me, for instance) can record and produce songs... at a decent quality, too, if you are any
good at it.
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posted on 2003-11-28 at 17:37
quotation:Originally posted by RobH
What do you mean "generated by cubase". I know of know program which generates music... I actually use a stripped down version of cubase
for my recordings. Do you mean with keyboards, and MIDI and such?
haha - actually i did find a program called "band in a box" when i was working for Future Music which generates music. all you do is punch
in the chord sequence and everything else is taken care of! although i didn't try it out, i've heard some groovy things about it.
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posted on 2003-11-28 at 17:38
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no way danielle. People actually go in and pay lots of money to have their sound recorded to perfection, they spend hours in studios, playing things
right, playing to a metronome, and such. Cubase could never produce what real talent can, it can only produce midi files, just look at what went on,
on our CD.
cubase can produce some really really good stuff. you'll find a lot of the "pop" backing tracks are actually sequenced by programs
such as cubase.
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posted on 2003-11-28 at 18:17
quotation:Originally posted by Chris
quotation:Originally posted by mi
no way danielle. People actually go in and pay lots of money to have their sound recorded to perfection, they spend hours in studios, playing things
right, playing to a metronome, and such. Cubase could never produce what real talent can, it can only produce midi files, just look at what went on,
on our CD.
cubase can produce some really really good stuff. you'll find a lot of the "pop" backing tracks are actually sequenced by programs
such as cubase.
Yea Im talkin about Britney Spears, NSync, Backstret Boys, and so on like come on there are some songs out there that you can so tell that its
cubase
theres is also a program called fruity loops all this stuff to generate music.
i never said all of em did but i was sayin that it is used out there. Fan might not know about it but come on think if an "artist" can
produce a 15 track cd like every 6 months get real there not using real instruments. Think about rap music its all cubase.
(i know i know i jump from one thing to another but sowwie i cant help it im typing things as they come to my wee little head)
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