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posted on 2004-2-12 at 04:40
You Think You Know?
alright i was trying to come up with some kind of good idea when i remembered the Dez/Rob topic. i thought it would be fun to make a topic where
people try to prove each other wrong. so the idea is that someone says something in which they have a strong opinion in, and everyone else tries
there best to prove them wrong. turn it into a debate kinda thing. so come guys try this out lets see if we can have some fun with it
and for those who are ensteins *Cough Dobs Cough* the other smaller minded children like me have to gang up on him until he goes home to his mama.
saying that i think dobs should start the first topic, but if someone gets the urge before he does, go right ahead
How do you communicate those emotions that are so intense that no physical expression or series of words can even scratch the surface?
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posted on 2004-2-12 at 13:34
I agree.... Dobs has earned rights to open this up....
and I think its a great thread.... I am always being a retard and arguing with people.... now you have given me an enviroment to do it
in.....tks.....
lets see somthing good.....
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posted on 2004-2-12 at 15:37
Hmmm, I have a topic in mind, but I think I'll wait, since Dobs will probably be better.
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posted on 2004-2-12 at 16:30
Everyone wants a piece of mr.dobalina these days...
*waits and sees if he'll come up with anything*
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posted on 2004-2-12 at 17:55
sorry folks, i'm having a braindead day today. i've barely been able to focus on what i'm supposed to be doing, let alone what
i'd like to be doing.
Amid the chaos of that day, when all I could hear was the thunder of gunshots, and all I could smell was the violence in the air, I look back and am
amazed that my thoughts were so clear and true, that three words went through my mind endlessly, repeating themselves like a broken record:
you're so cool, you're so cool, you're so cool. And sometimes Clarence asks me what I would have done if he had died, if that bullet
had been two inches more to the left. To this, I always smile, as if I'm not going to satisfy him with a response. But I always do. I tell him
of how I would want to die, but that the anguish and the want of death would fade like the stars at dawn, and that things would be much as they are
now. Perhaps. Except maybe I wouldn't have named our son Elvis.
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posted on 2004-2-12 at 18:11
Well in that case... I'd like to start a debate on the benevolence (sp?) of God. Frankly I can't find any proof, in any religion, that a
being that billions of people from all corners of the Globe worship and trust is truly Good.
It's too early/late for me to explain why now, but yeah, if anyone wants to you can make an argument and I'll see what I can come up with
when I wake up.
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posted on 2004-2-12 at 20:43
yes sin hurry up and explain in more detail....i tried to put something together but it needs to be more direct i guess
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posted on 2004-2-12 at 21:53
I don't really like debating on religion, simply because there is litttle, to no, facts to back someone up. That said, why I think so many
people practice religion is, because it gives alot more meaning to their lives. So many people feel lost in their lives and want to know what it is
all for, and by believing in a god that answers all the questions about life for you.
I myself have never wondered "what's the meaning of life?". I always felt like life is what you make of it.
Back to the topic - Another reason why so many people worship in a god is because they grew up with it. If you are born into a religious family you
are taught about it from when you are a toddler. Alot of people say that the time of your life where you develop and learn the most is when you are a
child, and if religion is one of those things that is forced upon you at that age, you can't help but believe it's true. I didn't
question religion when I was that young. I just simply believed it to be true.
I got nothing else, for now. I had more, but it's gone...
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posted on 2004-2-12 at 22:46
quotation: I just simply believed it to be true.
I guess we'll all find out sooner or later. Hopefully later though.
There is no point debating this subject when I agree with the above facts. Keep fighting children and the elderly.
Freaky Italics, I never chose that. But w/e.
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posted on 2004-2-12 at 23:29
Let's get things started...
Well... for the sake of debate, and for the sake of this thread I will throw some semblance of an argument together.
Have you ever wondered why such a staggeringly large percent of the population, in not only this but every part of the world believe in some sort
deity?
quotation:Originally posted by Reivax
That said, why I think so many people practice religion is, because it gives alot more meaning to their lives.
This is something that I think most people here can accept. I am sure everyone here has heard a story of someone, or even knows someone who has found
religion, and in religion the strength to turn their life around.
If there is no God, then where is this mysterious power coming from? The average human would love to tell everyone all about how they turned their own
life around, but these people give the credit away. This is as close to a physical sign as you could ask for. An actual change in a person. This
change is itself evidence of God's presence in each of us.
The people who are TRULY religious are generally NOT the ones who are born into it, but those who DISCOVER it in their life somehow.
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posted on 2004-2-13 at 00:09
I believe that there is proof, just people don't realize it in their own lives because it seems so small. People always say God never answers my
prayers and what not, have they ever thought that He just said no?!
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posted on 2004-2-13 at 02:23
Ahem... Let me explain.
I tried not to make this a "do you believe, don't you" debate, they're everywhere. What I wanted was to get people's
opinions on why God is seen as so "Good" and some good reasons WHY he should be worshipped.
Let's look at Sodom and Gamorra. Sure the people there committed sins, but I highly doubt every single person in a city was bad. This is
thousands of people we're talking about. Yet the entire city was left to waste, none allowed to live simply because God didn't like what
they were doing. (Sodomy actually comes from Sodom in the Bible, though that wasn't all that went on there).
Then we have the angels. God created Angels without souls. They were there to follow him, and follow him only. Then God created man, a creature that
he said worship me, don't worship me, up to you really. And he gave them free reign. When Lucifer decided to answer back to God it was straight
to Hell with him, no questions asked (although Lucifer did start a war, but still I think it was justified).
And let's not forget flooding the World so that everyone could be incessed, oh wait, I mean because everyone was "bad".
Frankly who is God to say what's right and wrong when the only way it can solve a problem, in fact, the only time God even bothers to intervene
in human life, is when it wants to destroy it? What makes it so special that it can commit genocide on the entire World and no one questions, they
simply obey?
I don't care if there's a God or not, I know I wouldn't believe in him either way.
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posted on 2004-2-13 at 04:19
sin you said who is god to decide....lets think about who god is....if you beleive in god then you probably beleive in the fact that he created the
world, the universe, and everything in it. if there is a god then he is the almighty, nothing is like him. i think that if he could create
everything then he coulld understand everything. and that means that he knew whether ppl were bad or not. honestly i have read some parts of the
bible, and it seems to get old only because it is constantly warning people to stop sinning and listen to him. it is possible that he tried and tried
and tried, but they simply would not listen, so the only way to stop it was to hurt them in some way, make them feel like they aren't in control
of everything, he has the power not them. Lucifer(according to the bible) did not try to answer back to what he beleived to be a selfsih god, he
tried to destroy him so he could be the god, he was jealous and wanted all of the power.
not sure if any of that mad sense, i kinda just let my fingers go there
but atleast i put into the debate
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posted on 2004-2-13 at 04:52
Yeah, it made sense. I can see what you mean too, but if you think about it if God DID make us, and he is Omnipotent, and he is a just and kind being,
shouldn't he have had more sense than to give us this much freedom? you'd think if he actually was the most compassionate, forgiving
creature in the Universe that he would have thought "hmm, if I make these guys with their own thought structures maybe they could turn out bad
and near destroy the planet they live on". But then again, it's stated we're created in the image of God, so we could very well have
turned out exactly how he'd planned it.
Lucifer was right to want to be God, look at the crappy job the "Almighty" has done so far, at least if Lucifer is as bad as the bible
claims (remember the Bible is God's word, and who's to say he's been that honest about everything) I really doubt he could make
people much worse than they already are.
Oh and as for God creating everything, I'm skeptical about that, I do believe in a God to some extent, not so much any of the God's that
our current religions would have us believe in but just that there is something in the Universe that I believe gave life to everything. I believe the
big bang created the Universe, God gave it life.
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posted on 2004-2-13 at 04:52
God is only a real jerk in the old testament I think. He lightens up a bit in the new testament. And really, there are many different
"versions" of God who we are leaving out... There are tonnes of religions which don't use either of those texts.
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posted on 2004-2-13 at 04:57
I know, but I figured I'd go with Christianity since I assumed most of the people here are Christian (or at least know that God the best), and
if we started looking at other belief structures it'd all start contradicting itself and would become a massive jumbled mess. If someone would
like to bring in another religion feel free though, I'm not stopping you, just means I'll need to do some research
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posted on 2004-2-13 at 05:32
i think it's all a load of crap for the weak. too tired and lazy to type more, just know that i'm right.
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Well... I'm convinced. Thanks for showing me the light, Chris.
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posted on 2004-2-13 at 13:26
If you actually gave a reason why it's a load of crap I'd probably give a damn, just let it be known that I agree with you.
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posted on 2004-2-13 at 22:49
ok i'd say its time for a new topic then......
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Since God is perfect wouldn't that make him all forgiving which in turn would mean there is no devil. In the Bible if translated properly
there is no mention of the devil it actually says evil. Humans aren't perfect that is why there is evil in the world. And what type of God would
make this world perfect? What would we learn then? People may believe in different things but it is actually the same God just different beliefs.
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possible topic:
if someone were to be taken from their birthmother directly after birth for whatever reason, say for instance adoption, do you think that the child
will ever be able to have a normal relationship with another female for the rest of it's life?
Amid the chaos of that day, when all I could hear was the thunder of gunshots, and all I could smell was the violence in the air, I look back and am
amazed that my thoughts were so clear and true, that three words went through my mind endlessly, repeating themselves like a broken record:
you're so cool, you're so cool, you're so cool. And sometimes Clarence asks me what I would have done if he had died, if that bullet
had been two inches more to the left. To this, I always smile, as if I'm not going to satisfy him with a response. But I always do. I tell him
of how I would want to die, but that the anguish and the want of death would fade like the stars at dawn, and that things would be much as they are
now. Perhaps. Except maybe I wouldn't have named our son Elvis.
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posted on 2004-2-14 at 14:36
quotation:Originally posted by mr. dobalina
possible topic:
if someone were to be taken from their birthmother directly after birth for whatever reason, say for instance adoption, do you think that the child
will ever be able to have a normal relationship with another female for the rest of it's life?
of course.
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posted on 2004-2-14 at 14:55
Why wouldn't they? Sure, your going to remember what happend for the rest of your life. But your not going to be with some girl, reflecting on
how she reminds you of your adoptive mother. Right?
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posted on 2004-2-14 at 16:01
I beg to differ. In my opinion it is almost impossible for someone to be able to have a relationship with another woman without a biological
mother.
There is some type of unexplainable bond made between them since birth that most of us still have to this day....
That is not to say that this person will never get along with other women, because he will...but it's just not gonna be quite the same, as it
could have been.
I doubt that made any sense..
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