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posted on 2004-6-7 at 22:35
The Future
Alright. I was reading in a magazine today that people are predicting that in 50 years we will be able to have virtual reality games that are so
realistic that it will actually be hard to tell the difference between the game and real life.
At first, I was like "cool". Then I thought, "why in the hell do we need that?". I think it's completely useless
technology. Why create something we already have? I think people are trying to play god a little too much sometimes.
Reading this made me think about what future holds for us. Not just in gaming, but in a lot of aspects. Such as, health. We seem to be coming so far
and fast in curing diseases, that in no time there will be nothing that is uncurable. Well, that's a bit extreme, of course. I can't help
but wonder what people are going to do about the inevidable over-population that is going to occur.
There is not really one thing I'm trying to touch on here. I just want to know if anyone has anything they are looking forward to or concerned
about with the more distant future. Any thoughts whatsoever. What do you think we as humans are doing right and wrong? It doesn't matter.
I realize it's been somewhat difficult to start up a thought provocing conversation in here, so here's another shot.
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posted on 2004-6-7 at 22:43
50 years? i heard that they already have very close technology lik taht, but it will probably br another 20 years until anyone can get their hands on
it. think about it tho. if you have a world that you cn be in, and do whatever yo uwant in it, and know that there is no consequences, it will be
anyones dream come true, literally. why bother going out if you can stay in your world and do anything and everything you've ever wanted. and
imagine if that got into the hands of those in this world that are fucked in the head. i heard you will be able to do anything imaginable in these
things. whats to stop someone from rapeing little boys. people could do so much scary shit. A system like that ould fuck up society. imo
How do you communicate those emotions that are so intense that no physical expression or series of words can even scratch the surface?
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posted on 2004-6-7 at 22:56
Ah, I read in the Star today that they've come up with a new allergey medicine. If you're afraid of needles, this is the shiite for you.
Simply spray it on, and hold for a minute. Easy enough? Yup. This will hopefully be available to consumers by 2007
I hate myself and I want to die.
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posted on 2004-6-7 at 22:59
I'm not exactly for this type of technology. Honestly, it freaks me out. But at the same time, if someone had the urge to rape a boy or kill
someone or whatever, then if they did it in their own homes and didn't actually physically hurt anyone - theoretically, it could end up saving
lives.
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posted on 2004-6-7 at 23:05
I guess I should make my 4000th post count. So, here we go.
Everyone...my brain is going to hurt after this one. I'm glad I'm sitting down. haha...
quotation:" think about it tho. if you have a world that you cn be in, and do whatever yo uwant in it, and know that there is no consequences, it
will be anyones dream come true, literally. why bother going out if you can stay in your world and do anything and everything you've ever
wanted."
That's exactly the point though. Would you really want to live in a society like that?
Having this type of software would literally destroy everything that makes up the composite of human life. In my honest opinion, even the thought of
developing a 'virtual'reality gadget such as this one would be a waste of time, and another way to keep slowly detereorating our
culture.
Having a 'perfect' world like this would destroy all ethics and morals, anything that people have ever stood for.
Anything that anyone has ever fought for would go to waste, because none of it will matter now...since we'll all have our own private
'la-la land".
It's stupid. I really hope this never comes about and the idea is ditched as soon as possible. Someone must realize the long-term damage this
could cause to society and humankind. This is something that would have an effect worldwide, not just for that one person.
My intent is not to bring Religious beliefs into this, but I promise it will be brief...skip this part if you feel the need to.
God placed humans on Earth for a reason, he gave each of us a metaphoric 'tool box' of some sort.
It is our decision, and ours alone, to decide what to do with these tools. He also gave us free will and judgement.
One person alone can choose whether to do good or bad. None of that is controlled by God, just us.
Anyway, I think that if there is anything to look forward to in the future is any type of Medical/Scientific advances.
Personally, I am someone who will most likely be ill for the rest of her life, and though I've grown up adapting to my situation, I am sure
there are still resources that have not yet been found which could help my situation, and that one of many others. Any type of advance in medical
technology could bring us closer to finding cures of many diseases, or at least other forms of treatment. So, that is definetly something I would
personally want to see further develop.
And I'm spent.
I think...I'll re-read and edit if I must.
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posted on 2004-6-7 at 23:22
You know what I believe that God created diseases for a reason to keep the world from over populating. That means that children will have to die, but
this is the way God created the world. No matter what i believe there will be a disease that we wont be able to cure just to keep the population
down... that is probabally off topic ahh well ..
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 00:25
I think desease is part of the non-perfection god made in us. I do beleive that the future seems to find ways to let people be more and more lazy.
I mean everything is machine and computer. I do agree with research in medical is one good thing. But I also beleive that one can fight a desease
and choose to live with it or die with it. Day by day im at huge risks with certain medical issues, but somehow my test results still come out
extremely positive. It puzzles my doctor, its been an issue since i've been born, but yet somehow things are fine. But I definetly wish more
cures could be found, As i have lost allot of close people through sickness and I nearly lost my own mother.
As for the gaming aspect, thats the stupidest shit ever.. its a waste of money and time and I feel it will have some rather big effect in society and
I highly doubt it will be a positive one.
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 00:47
yea the game is stupid...
but really we should stop playing God o find cures. Because think about it no one had this medical stuff i Jesus' day (i dont care if you do or
you dont believe in him) but its a way of life for people to die we cant be in the way of Gods work. ( I know im sounding like a preacher girl but i
dont care!)
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 00:59
Cant be in the way of gods work..., he created earth and put everything in it for our own use. He created humans so that they can think and make
their own choices. If humans have i guess found a loop hole then hurray, I do admit this does create over population problems, and to be honest i
wouldn't even know how to use that in a good way for my opinion in this case.... but im saying that we have the choice and we chose to find
cures for certain things. God does not want us to suffer, and sick people suffer allot, so i guess some people see it as not right and want to make
a difference for those less fortunate people. if god didn't want us to be able to make medication then he would of made it so that we could.
Personally im not a big beleiver in the whole god thing etc.. etc.. but as i am a beleiver in science, I find right that we can do our own miracles
of saving lives and see them for ourself and not just read about it in the bible and not truly fully know if it did happen.
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 01:02
Ok so you see the views of sciene when i see God's. so i will stop debateing cause well i cant debate
[Edited on 8-6-04 by 1lilrockerchic]
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 01:08
my appologies on view of the thread this about the future and not about god/science..
But coming back on the future, i wanted to add what do people think about trying to explore other planetes in our solar system. I mean it is
something their trying to accomplish.. seing were talking about future do u see it as a waste of time .. perhaps a way to solve some problems i
dunno.. really but i thought i might give someone another idea ...
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 01:12
hey dont be sorry its your views you are aloud to voice just like me!
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Things seem so wrong (I had something worth living for)
I cant go on, but its something we’re suppose to do
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 02:07
The space travel thing is a good idea, when we eventually (and it will happen) fuck up this planet beyond all hope of bringing it back to it's
once beautiful state, we're going to need somewhere to live, so the sooner we find another habitable planet the better.
As for the virtual reality thing I doubt it would change anything beyond what we already have now. There are already games based around most every
facet of life, and there are people who spend pretty much 24/7 playing them, but not everyone does. As soon as you start saying that this will affect
society you're just acting like the countless uneducated fools who were going around saying Carmageddon and Grand Theft Auto was causing people
to go out and murder hundreds of people.
Frankly, games don't fuck people up, they may be a catalyst for an already warped mind, but they don't create killers (apparently you can
learn how to shoot a gun by playing Doom, because a keyboard closely resembles a gun and you can't actually aim up or down in real life either).
The sooner people realise this the sooner the people who actually play games for their enjoyment value can continue to have fun and not be chastised
as being the next Charles Manson. If need be set up some sort of screening for Adult games/movies, simply have it that you CAN NOT buy them unless you
have undergone a psychiatric session in which you have been proven to not be a danger. I bet that still wouldn't satisfy most people.
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 02:35
Hey, I never said anything about this 'virtual reality games' causing people to go kill each other.
I just said it would destroy humankind in the sense that now people wouldn't have a purpose in going out in the real world and seeing what
it's really like, and you know...it just wouldn't be organic anymore.
But then again, you are quite correct. Not everyone will be able to afford these high-tech gadgets.
Ignorant fool?...Ouuch...
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 03:10
quotation:Originally posted by Sin Ogaris
The space travel thing is a good idea, when we eventually (and it will happen) fuck up this planet beyond all hope of bringing it back to it's
once beautiful state, we're going to need somewhere to live, so the sooner we find another habitable planet the better.
Why go look for another place to live when you could focus on keeping this one liveable... seems like a much more reasonable strategy to me.
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 03:11
Even that is happening now, ever heard of Everquest? It's basically an online game that hundreds of thousands of people devote their lives to.
There are people who literally treat it as their real life and not a game, it's caused endless controversy for warping the minds of all these
people but as I said, not everyone plays this game, so if you consider that, not everyone is going to be playing these virtual reality things,
I'm sure there will be quite a number, but I'd say it'd be the people who spend coutless hours playing video games now, so
it'll be no real loss.
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 03:13
quotation:Originally posted by RobH
quotation:Originally posted by Sin Ogaris
The space travel thing is a good idea, when we eventually (and it will happen) fuck up this planet beyond all hope of bringing it back to it's
once beautiful state, we're going to need somewhere to live, so the sooner we find another habitable planet the better.
Why go look for another place to live when you could focus on keeping this one liveable... seems like a much more reasonable strategy to me.
Well, you get half the World's population in on it and I'll work on the other half.
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 03:38
Sin, everquest is not at all realistic tho. if you could create any environment, it would literally be your world. you would be god. or atleast
that is what you would think. i agree with the klling thing about how games teach kids to kill is crap, butif you can't tell the difference
between the game and reality, why leave reality? freedom to do anything you've ever wanted. tempting.
How do you communicate those emotions that are so intense that no physical expression or series of words can even scratch the surface?
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 04:30
Meh, I'd get bored of it. I also doubt they would make it so that you could do "anything" straight away, you'd have to work
your way towards that goal, which would be off-putting for a lot of people. I mean that's the concept behind games, there has to be some sort of
progression otherwise it just gets stale and boring. I can assure you, it wouldn't be as society descructive as everyone is making it out to be,
probably be worse than it is now, but not a whole lot. I mean think about it, if the majority of people think like you guys then effectively the
majority of people would shun the idea.
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 04:42
Oh, and just as another point, I'm guessing what this magazine article was talking about was the graphics and physics of the game (sound as
well) but effectively they would still be designed to the same standard as games now they would simply look, act and sound more realistic, so instead
of shooting away at zombies made up of a few million polygons and having robotic movements you'd be blasting away at lifelike renditions only
seen in cinemas with the fluidity of movement of a normal human being. The only real problems would be things like the Grand Theft Autos or the
MMORPG's where you could effectively traverse an entire world. However in those cases the people you will meet will most likely be real people
only in a computerized skin, that it'll again just be the same concept as now, just with realistic graphics, physics, etc. I highly doubt they
would simply create an environment the same as our reality now and say, "hey you can do absolutely anything here, go nuts". There ARE
classification ratings on games for a reason, rape is one thing that would never be put in a gaming environment (again) not on the commercial market
anyway. They would incorporate some form of in game consequence as well, for instance you go out killing people cops will hunt you down, I can't
imagine it being any different to the games now essentially, so consequences will still be incorporated. Sure, you may not die, but you'll lose
everything you strived for within the environment before actually getting "killed".
In any case, I'm just repeating myself over and over here, so let's look at other future things.
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 04:53
good arguement
so other future things...hmm
how far is too far with medical sceince. do you hink cloning body organs is ok? what about cloning simple blood cells or tings like that. ?I knnow
everyone is against cloning, with good reason, but can you keep control of it and still use it to your advantage?
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 05:29
I'm against cloning a human, but I can't see the harm in body parts, just think of all the transplant patients who would be saved becuase
the hospitals would finally have enough organs to help everyone. Honestly I believe the pluses outweigh the minuses.
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 10:59
I have to go to work now, and I am ignoring making my lunch, so I had better hurry. With the whole "virtual reality" thing, I wasn't
neccesserely refering to virtual reality gaming. Like playing a highly realistic game with a visor over your eyes. I was more talking about a life
simulating device that actually has the potential to control the sense. So realistic that once finished with the machine, you would have trouble
telling the difference between the fake reality and actual reality.
This is an odd thing to use as reference, but here goes - A number of years ago, people were pretty obsessed with the whole virtual reality idea, and
you saw it everywhere. On one episode of "married...with children", Bud starts to work at a virtual reality centre and he starts to use
the machine to create his own world. Since he wasn't able to get any from his woman in real life, he controled the woman with the system and did
anything he could ever want. When his actual girlfriend offered herself to him, he ignored her and went back to the machine.
This, I think could be one of the negatives in this type of technology. I also think that soon enough porn in videogames is going to be common. Porn
has become alot more accepted lately. We get free pron on our movie networks now. It's fucked up. Like in one of the future episodes of
"the simpsons", marge says "Who knew that Fox would become a hardcore porn channel so quickly?" (something like that).
Alright, I wrote that really fast, and now I'm late with no lunch. Hope it made sense. I'll touch up on other things later.
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 12:20
Oh, well that changes things completely. I just assumed virtual reality = games, I mean what other purpose is there (besides what you just said)? I
still say though, it's entirely up to the individual, and as you can see if you used this topic as a survey (hey entire populations opinions are
based on about 100 people, so let's base the entire World on 10), then you would see that quite a number of people would be disinterested.
That's not to say it won't cause problems, I just highly doubt (even with this new information) whether or not it would create a fall in
society.
Oh and besides, it's inevitable that something this useless will be created, look at the past 10 years and all the poointless crap that has been
thrown on the market like Internet on fridges, mobile phones that can do everything but take your dog for a walk, plasma tvs (seriously, they suck)
and the other assorted electronic goodies which serve no purpose other than to clutter up people bodies or homes. It seems entirely logical (by these
standards) that these guys building all this useless technology will keep trying to better their last inane piece of crap.
I still believe at some point humans will create worker robots, and although most films will suggest they'll all go bonkers, I believe so long
as you don't actually give them A.I. and simply the various instructions they require to do the tasks required of them it's not like
there's going to be a problem, no mind, no free will.
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posted on 2004-6-8 at 16:27
I find and think we will have worker robots.. i highly doubt a whole Terminator 3 situation will arise but people our going to be more and more out
of shape only because not only our we inventing stupid pointless machines, but were also trying to find ways to have less physical labor. I dunno im
not really for working robots..but tahst me
i will post my thoughts on other things mentioned soon.
